Friday, December 16, 2011

Friday Afternoon Roundup - A Letter from Goebbels


The Republican race is more muddled than ever as Gingrich's numbers fade a little without anyone to take his place. Either Gingrich recovers, Perry surges or it's Romney all the way. The establishment backing Romney had to damage Gingrich to limit the fallout from their backing of Romney. This way they chose between two evils, rather than choosing the man that they were always going to choose.

Congressional deadlocks continue as neither side can really move their agenda forward. But Obama can still abuse executive orders and he benefits from the appearance of a do-nothing congress. Meanwhile the NJDC has dumped a sputtering press release condemning Congressman West for his "shocking" Goebbels comment about the Democratic Party, complete with an ADL press release.

The comment may be a bit much, but is the party most associated with breaking Godwin's Law really pretending to be outraged by a Goebbels analogy? Let's just have a skip and a hop back to January when a Democratic congressman said that Republican criticism of ObamaCare was "a big lie just like (Nazi propagandist Joseph) Goebbels."

There's also a difference between a Nazi analogy and a Holocaust analogy. A Nazi analogy is about how totalitarian populism works. A Holocaust analogy is about the mass murder of millions. In some cases it is valid to make Nazi analogies, but not Holocaust analogies. Goebbels' Big Lie is an obvious example because it addresses the mechanics of propaganda, which is a valid point even when applied to people who are not mass murderers.

The Democratic Congressmen scurrying to condemn West for it is political opportunism at its most cynical, especially when the NJDC adds quotes from West's former opponent and future opponent. About the only sensible condemnation of the lot comes from Carl Levin, the rest of the condemnations misrepresent what West said and try to spin it for political gain.

This from Ted Deutsch isn't even a sentence: "By comparing the way Democrats defend our record to the way the Nazi Minister of Propaganda attempted to defend and even justify the murder of 6 million Jews is utterly outrageous"... and it also misrepresents what West actually said, not to mention that it misrepresents history.

This from Steve Israel is even dumber: "Congressman West needs to immediately apologize for insulting the memories of the millions who lost their lives during the Holocaust."

Nadler insanely accuses West of "latent anti-Semitism". West's future opponent is even more slipshod. "These remarks belittle the Holocaust, insult the Jewish community and the millions of American veterans who fought the Nazis in WWII." I have no idea how West's remarks insult millions of American veterans, I doubt Patrick Erin Murphy or whoever wrote this twaddle for him does either.

But to recap, West accuses the Democratic Party of being like Goebbels. Democratic Party responds by falsely accusing West of Anti-Semitism, insulting veterans and a whole raft of other lies that have nothing to do with what he actually said. If their goal was to suggest that West had a point, then mission accomplished.

If the Democratic Party really wants to rebuild some credibility with the Jewish community, they need to stop using Jewish members as "House Jews" for political gain and actually allow them to represent the interests of Jewish communities. The day that Jewish Democrats start coming out in support of school vouchers, ending US pressure on Israel and forming a committee to investigate Muslim Anti-Semitic violence is the day they can be taken seriously as representatives of the Jewish communities. Instead of as the Uncle Howards of the Democratic Party.

When Howard Gutman tried to set up two tiers of Anti-Semitism, one justified and one unjustified, then most of the same people sputtering over West's Goebbels comments had nothing to say. But Goebbels is dead, Muslim Anti-Semitism is alive and well.

I see nothing from Nadler on Gutman. I see nothing from Deutsch on Gutman. Which means they can shut the hell up about West. If they want to bark when Obama tells them to bark, then they're poodles and they have nothing to say worth listening to. If they won't stand up against the actual justification of present day violence about Jews, then no one wants to hear their mewling about a WW2 analogy.

In response to Gutman's victim blaming, The Forward published a piece in his defense. So did the Jewish Journal of LA. The Forward piece is the dying paper's usual sneering commentary. The JJ of LA piece by Michael Berenbaum is far more pernicious because it misrepresents Gutman's remarks and the responses to them.

"A summary of Gutman’s remarks, not a direct quote, appeared in an Israeli newspaper. American bloggers took it as gospel, and Republican political candidates called for Gutman’s ouster."

Berenbaum is lying. The full speech appeared at the European Jewish Press and was used by myself and many other bloggers.

The Israeli newspaper quoted Gutman... “A distinction should be made between traditional anti-Semitism, which should be condemned, and Muslim hatred for Jews, which stems from the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.”

What he actually said is quite different and a bit more nuanced:

Actually Berenbaum is lying again. It's not more nuanced or different. Here is exactly what Gutman said.

This is Gutman's first tier of Anti-Semitism. A traditional form of bigotry practiced by European natives, but not by Muslims.

There is and has long been some amount of anti-Semitism, of hatred and violence against Jews, from a small sector of the population who hate others who may be different or perceived to be different, largely for the sake of hating.  Those anti-Semites are people who hate not only Jews, but Muslims, gays, gypsies, and likely any who can be described as minorities or different...
This is Gutman's second tier of Anti-Semitism, practiced by Muslims in response to Israel.

Throughout Europe, there is significant anger and resentment and, yes, perhaps sometimes hatred and indeed sometimes and all too growing intimidation and violence directed at Jews generally as a result of the continuing tensions between Israel and the Palestinian territories and other Arab neighbors in the Middle East.

According to Gutman, this form of bigotry (not really bigotry but "tension") is more nuanced and will go away when Israel reaches a peace agreement with the terrorists.

"The largest part of the solution for this second type of problem – too often lumped under a general banner of anti-Semitism – is in the hands of Israel, the Palestinians and Arab neighbors in the Middle East.   It is fortunate because it means that, unlike traditional hatred of minorities, a path towards improving and resolving it does at least exist."

Gutman denies that Muslim Anti-Semitism exists. He denies that Muslim violence against Jews is Anti-Semitism and places the blame for it on Israeli policy.

So let's get back to Goebbels and Michael Berenbaum and the NJDC, Goebbels is dead but Gutman lives and Berenbaum lives. And who is really more dangerous a dead Goebbels or his live Jewish cousins who find ways to excuse and justify violence against Jews in the present day?

I am not very concerned about Goebbels. He had his day. But today Der Sturmer exists at the JTA and at the Forward and at every liberal paper in America that whitewashes violence against Jews.

It is a matter of plain and simple fact that if Hitler were to come back as a Muslim, then he would be cheered by the left. We might even bomb a country or two to help him come to power. Is that hyperbole? Judge for yourself from this CNN piece whitewashing Egyptian Salafis.

"Salafists are normal human beings. If you treat them as terrorists, what do you expect will be their reaction?"

Co-founder of the Salafyo Costa Facebook page Ehab El Kholy, a 33-year-old cartoonist and himself a Salafist, says: "We are trying to hammer home the message that Salafists are normal people.

"We eat the same food, drink the same beverages and frequent the same hangouts. So don't be surprised when you find Salafists sitting next to you at Costas, sipping lattes."

But it hasn't been an easy road, as many Egyptians are skeptical of the strict Muslim practices by Salafists. The founders of the Salafyo Costa page think the Salafi-phobia stems from ignorance.

Is it still hyperbole? Let me leave you then with the following from Egyptian Salafi Imam Muhammad Hussein Ya'qoub.

"Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing... We must believe that our fighting with the Jews is eternal, and it will not end until the final battle - and this is the fourth point. You must believe that we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth."

Goebbels is alive and well. Today he goes by Gutman or Berenbaum and Hitler is also alive and well, he goes by Muhammad. Before there was Mein Kampf there was the Koran, and after Mein Kampf the Koran is still here.

In an old article at the Spectator, Melanie Philips has a long list of more of this same genocidal hate. Or what Gutman calls "tension" between Muslims and Jews. Earlier I distinguished between Nazi and Holocaust analogies, but when it comes to Gutman, Goldberg and Berenbaum it is not a Nazi analogy... it is a Holocaust analogy.

The people they are covering up for intend nothing less than another Holocaust. and the House Jews of the Democratic Party are sending out urgent emails about nothing.


For the first time in weeks All-American Muslim is back in the news, not for anything on the show, but over the commercials. A number of sponsors have stopped advertising on the show, including Lowe’s. Muslim groups and their supporters have taken this development in stride by trying to blackmail the home improvement chain into advertising on the failing TLC series.

Is blackmail the right word? California State Senator Ted Lieu threatened boycotts and more disturbingly “legislative remedies” if Lowe’s doesn’t submit. Lieu, who clearly doesn’t believe in the separation of mosque and state, is shamelessly pandering to his Muslim constituents but his thuggery is fundamentally un-American and dangerous. No advertiser should be compelled to sponsor any television show.

All-American Muslim started out strong with 1.7 million viewers and a 0.9 share of adults 18-49, the demographic most coveted by advertisers. Advertisers will pay money for low-rated shows so long as they have a high 18-49 share. But by the second episode it had lost 600,000 viewers and its 18-49 share was down to 0.5. The week after that it was the lowest rated cable show on the top 100 for the night. And last week’s episode was bad enough that it appears to have fallen out of the top 100 completely.

The question then is why would Lowe’s or any other company want to pay good money for that? And why should a political thug like Senator Lieu be able to abuse his office by threatening a company that if they don’t advertise on a particular show then he will target them with “legislative remedies,”

See the full piece at Front Page Magazine - All-American Muslims, Threats, Intimidation and Hate


At the Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, who's getting to be almost as bad as JJ Goldberg, called Ron Paul a Zionist, mixed in with the usual claim that the issue with Ron Paul is foreign aid. It's not.

Foreign aid is not the issue. The actual issue is that Ron Paul’s views on Israel and Jews (as well as American foreign policy) are indistinguishable from those of Pat Buchanan​.

Ron Paul isn’t simply against foreign aid; he believes that the Israeli lobby controls Washington and involves American in foreign wars… and that this was among the causes of September 11. Paul has described the original World Trade Center bombing as a “retaliation” and during the Republican debates in 2007 and 2011 blamed American foreign policy for Al-Qaeda’s attacks.

That's an excerpt from my article, Ron Paul: Blame Israel First. And here's the video linked in the piece. Watching Ron Paul chat up the agents of the Iranian regime and bash Israel should end any further debate on the issue.


I have nothing particular to say about the death of Hitchens. I have always believed that we face a larger threat that requires us to make common cause with people we disagree with and even people who hate us. Speaking as a Jew, Hitchens certainly fell into that category. He was a lefty who made the somewhat unique decision not to follow his movement from supporting Arab Socialist terrorists to supporting Muslim terrorists. That he was one of the few not to do so is more damning of the left than it is a praise of him.

Hitchens hated Jews, he hated Christians and he hated Muslims. That made him an ally of sorts and an enemy of sorts, Benjamin Kerstein at the Jewish Daily sums up most of the relevant stuff. Like others on the Counterjihad atheist left, he didn't like Israel or Jews, but he recognized that Islam was the larger threat.

I see no real point in penning completely misleading headlines like Ron Kampeas' "Christopher Hitchens, contrarian who embraced and battled Judaism, dead at 62". It's about as far from the truth as imaginable, except his name, age and the contrarian part.


It wouldn't be Chanukah without idiotic essays on who the Maccabees were and even dumber comments from "professors" of something or other.

Jeffrey Tigay, emeritus professor of Hebrew and Semitic literature at the University of Pennsylvania, said the Maccabees were religious innovators, not fundamentalists.

Mattahias "rejected the refusal of some of his allies who refused to fight on Shabbat and as a consequence were slaughtered by the Greeks; Mattahias decided to fight back on Shabbat in order to survive," Tigay wrote in an email.

Fighting on the Shabbat was always standard. It was not a religious innovation. Anything that saves lives can be done on the Shabbat. Otherwise there wouldn't be Jewish doctors or Jewish soldiers.

And by creating a new holiday, Chanukah, that had no basis in the Bible, the Hasmoneans -- the dynasty that came to power after the Maccabees defeated the Seleucids -- showed "a willingness to adjust the law when necessary." 

Even more off. There were plenty of new holidays created, those holidays just didn't have the status of the biblical ones. Tu'BeAv was created almost as soon as the Jews made it out of the desert to Israel. It's not an adjustment of the law to create a holiday to commemorate an event.

Although Judah Maccabee may not have been a religious zealot, neither was he the symbol of religious freedom that he is often portrayed as today, said Seth Schwartz, an expert on Judaism in the Hellenistic and Roman periods at Columbia University in New York.

"Judah as fighter for an abstract principle of religious liberty is also totally anachronistic," Schwartz wrote in an email. 

Actually it's quite of the time and of previous times as well. But let's go to Josephus, whom I don't care for very much, but was close to enough to being current. Antiquities 12.7.3 302 for his version of Judah Maccabee's speech.

"O my fellow soldiers, no other time remains more opportune than the present for courage and contempt of dangers; for if you now fight manfully, you may recover your liberty, which, as it is a thing of itself agreeable to all men, so it proves to be to us much more desirable, by its affording us the liberty of worshiping God. Since therefore you are in such circumstances at present, you must either recover that liberty, and so regain a happy and blessed way of living, which is that according to our laws, and the customs of our country, or to submit to the most opprobrious sufferings; nor will any seed of your nation remain if you be beat in this battle.

Fight therefore manfully; and suppose that you must die, though you do not fight; but believe, that besides such glorious rewards as those of the liberty of your country, of your laws, of your religion, you shall then obtain everlasting glory."

Totally anachronistic. Even assuming that Josephus made the speech up, it still dates back to 94 CE. Religious liberty wasn't invented five minutes ago. Sorry.

"For reasons that remain unknown, the Maccabee books were excluded from the Hebrew Bible"

The "Unknown" reason would be the end of prophecy which also marked the last days of the canon in Judaism. Narratives of the beginning of the beginning of the Second Temple went in, but the canon wasn't opened against centuries later after the Great Assembly.

For Chaim Galfand, rabbi at the Raymond and Ruth Perelman Jewish Day School, getting a clear view of Judah Maccabee is "like seeking out the clear view in Los Angeles -- it exists, but it depends on which direction you're looking."

Galfand said he teaches his students that there are different kinds of truth: The Harry Potter books may not be factually true, but they teach about integrity, friendship and perseverance. Ultimately, the truth that the Chanukah story offers today is an inspirational saga about the merits of Jewish tradition and the dangers of totally abandoning one's faith and tradition. 

Is it really too much to ask that the closing to an article on the Maccabees shouldn't be full of this kind of postmodern barking idiocy?

It's bad enough that there's a sizable clergical contingent that feels this way about Moses, but in historical terms, the Maccabees did not live all that long ago. This isn't like pretending that King David was a mythical figure (something many historians have tried to do until his palace turned up) and we can learn things by pretending that he's just like Harry Potter and represents the Ophraistic truth that you can believe in anything that inspires you or is relevant to your life. This is like pretending that Antony and Cleopatra were imaginary figures from Shakespeare who probably never existed.

The ignorance level here is astounding and inexcusable. If there's better evidence that the left rots minds it would be hard to find. This is an entire article on who the Maccabees were that never once mentions any historical information about them, but relies on a collection of idiotic quotes from experts who don't seem to know anything about the subject. You can learn more about the Maccabees by asking a Jewish four year old than you can by reading this article or asking one of its experts.

And the conclusion is like reading a piece on George Washington's birthday where experts wonder if he ever really was a revolutionary or a president, and ends by suggesting that the important thing is not whether he existed, but that he inspire us to not cut down cherry trees and to always tell the truth.

Israel shouldn't have used those commercials about the diaspora, it should have just taken this article, translated it and passed it around.


STAR WARS. Iranian Mullahs now on a campaign to destroy any stars on suspicion that they might be stars of david.

AP Loses Ability To Do Simple Math, Cites New Post-Math World

Defeat National Review?

If you can't make it to the land of the Maccabees for Chanukah, MyEretz offers the ability to buy and sell Israeli products in an online marketplace. It's the Shuk experience without the shoving and smells.

Treason? NAACP appealing to UN to stop voter id

“Muslim brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?

Belgium's monuments will not be spared either.

Occupy Pavement.

Bully for Appeasement

Zilla's Endorsement

Final good news. The EU has big secret plans for Israel.

The European Union should consider Israel's treatment of its Arab population a "core issue, not second tier to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," according to a classified working paper produced by European embassies in Israel, parts of which were obtained by Haaretz.

This is an unprecedented document in that it deals with internal Israeli issues. According to European diplomats and senior Foreign Ministry officials, it was written and sent to EU headquarters in Brussels behind the back of the Israeli government.


Anonymous said...

"The enemy of my enemy may be my enemy, too!"

In the end, it's best to be very cautious about alliances with those who hate you, as much (if not more) than a common enemy you may have.

In the end, they may turn on you, too.


Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog said...

That's a given. Like Churchill and Stalin.

Marcel said...

I see nothing from Nadler or anyone else on Fuad Ben Elizer's call for Jews to be shot ????

'In some cases it is valid to make Nazi analogies'

The war against the obedient Jews,aka ,settlers.

Who lit the fuse?
Who crossed the red line?
The real criminals who have lit the fuse are ignored.
Those who use the IDF to go out in the middle of the night to abuse, evict fellow Jews and tear down their homes are extremely similar to the Nazi's treatment of Jews.

How soon before Fuad gets his wish that fellow Jews should be shot ?

I have not heard one word of rebuke from the right,left or psuedo right Netanyahu to Fuad for his crime of incitement against a much maligned and hated segment of Israel.

The similarities are quite stunning and maybe this is why the denial and blindness to it are so deep for Israeli's.

The real criminals in Jerusalem who are driving the country to civil war by using the IDF against fellow Jews and demonizing and targeting these last remaining Zionist holdouts who will not bend to the will of the evil globalist agenda of destroying Israel by way of the no-peace process are ignored.
Public Enemy Number 1 of the Quartet,UN,US,EU not the Islamic killers but Jewish homebuilders,are targeted for destruction.
History repeats before our eyes as the majority of Jews once again have their heads buried deep in the sand.
Once again the new kapos do the dirty work of their evil masters.

Wisdom from Tanakh/Job on why you are wasting your time on the US Presidential election.

"He takes away the understanding of the chiefs of the people of the earth,
And makes them wander in a pathless wilderness.
They grope in the dark without light,And He makes them stagger like a drunken man.
He leads princes away plundered,And overthrows the mighty...
He makes nations great, and destroys them"
Job 12

S. Richard said...

Re: Newt
Not only is the GOP the Stupid Party, but the Feast of Cannibals. They come not to praise Gingrich, but bury him in an earthen oven and smother him with barbecue sauce, chowing down on him for the crime of being imperfectly doctrinaire. The right's media elite, from Krauthammer to Coulter, seem determined to nominate the establishment wishy-washy moderate coinflipper yet again. Mittens, of course, is as doctrinaire a righty as Teddy Kennedy was. Coulter, who savaged McCain in '08 for not being right enough, then supported Eastern Establishment faves Christie and Mittens this time, should really be ashamed of her blatant hypocrisy.
Marcel, Great and appropriate Job quote!
All bow down to the Sultan!

Paul said...

This constant evoking of Nazis and Nazi Germany might be healthy if it brought this recent history into sharper focus and understanding. But it seems to be doing the exact opposite, it just seems to be clouding perception of it. It seems to be getting to the point where the actual history is being replaced by the metaphor and the events themselves were nothing more than metaphors.

They were real events performed by real people with real consequences and it wasn't all that long ago. Can we look forward to a future where nobody really understands what happened and never mind why? Will we evoke the Nazi era of Europe as a strictly spiritual event existing only to excite emotions and high school grade debates on morality and politics?

mindRider said...

I was a bit surprised at your rather negative part on Richard Hitchens's passing after having listened to Dennis Prager's, who I consider an outstanding conservative debater and keen defender of Judaism and Israel, praise of the man and having heard the debate on youtube, he had had with Hitchens's back in 2007.

Edward Cline said...

Daniel wrote about Christopher Hitchens:

“Hitchens hated Jews, he hated Christians and he hated Muslims. That made him an ally of sorts and an enemy of sorts, Benjamin Kerstein at the Jewish Daily sums up most of the relevant stuff. Like others on the Counterjihad atheist left, he didn't like Israel or Jews, but he recognized that Islam was the larger threat.”

I don’t think Hitchens “hated” Jews, Christians and Muslims. He despised them, and expressed an uncompromising contempt for them and their creeds. This should be distinguished from “hate.” One hates what one fears. One holds contempt for what one holds pity for, but regards as personally harmless or non-threatening. As an atheist, I too despise adherents of any brand of mysticism, and Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all varieties of mysticism. That is, I pity people who still cling to the notion that there’s a “Big Guy” up in the sky or in another realm who is watching whether we’re being naughty or nice. (I once asked a Christian why she didn’t believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. She replied that they were just myths that appeal to children, there was no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. Like me, she regarded their existence as metaphysically impossible and absurd. Then I asked her what evidence there was for God. Her mind slammed shut. Go figure.

Hitchens, however, saw the observable peril of Islam, and lashed out at its apologists. There wasn’t a Muslim “authority” he could debate and not mop the floor with. In Chapter 9 of “God is Not Great” he discusses the Christian and Judaic origins of Islam and how that whole mythology shamelessly cadged from Judaic and Christian lore to give it something more in substance than the ravings of a pedophilic and psychotic brigand, something I’ve been arguing for years. Unlike Bush and Obama and Hillary Clinton and others, Hitchens didn’t settle for vetted Ramadan dinners at the White House to “know” Islam. He wasn’t interested in buddying up to “moderate” Muslims. He attended Friday prayers at mosques here and abroad, and saw for himself first-hand what Islam was up to and what Muslims agreed on. Hitchens may have begun his career as a leftist, but his intellectual honesty led him, as it did George Orwell after the Spanish Civil War (not to mention many living neo-conservatives, such as David Horowitz), to travel the road of neo-conservatism and oppose particular brands of totalitarianism, of which Islam is a prime example. Which would not be so bad a thing if it had ultimately led him to chuck the altruism and collectivism inherent in neo-conservative ideology. I don’t know that it did.

Edward Cline said...

In conclusion, I left this comment on a Jihad Watch column on HItchens’s passing:

“In terms of the level of intellectual discourse in this time, Christopher Hitchens was to Islam and religion what Jonah Goldberg is to Liberalism and the welfare state (aka, Fascism with a smiley face). His atheistic position on all brands of religion prepared him to combat Islam in particular, with no mercy given and no offense withheld. If he had lived in the 18th century he would have been a rival of Jonathan Swift, and a contributor to Addison and Steel’s Spectator. Later in that century he would have been a regular at Samuel Johnson’s gatherings of minds and wits at the Turk’s Head tavern in London, often disagreeing with Johnson but Johnson would never have asked him never to come back. That intolerant Tory often welcomed ideas, which, even if he disagreed with them, he would at least have conceded were innovative.

Hitchens would have been a hell of a speaker in Parliament in any period. In our contemporary American Congress, he would have been as out of place as a diamond atop a pile of coal dust. Can you imagine him chewing out Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi from the floor? I could. He had a way of speaking and writing, elements of which he may have picked up at Oxford, but which mostly was his own style, but whose color and construction are just not taught anywhere, anymore. He will be missed.”

So, in terms of intellectual style and rigor and the scope of his knowledge, Hitchens was a class act. I disagreed with him often on specific subjects, but, on the whole, compared to Hitchens, virtually every other polemicist, pundit, and columnist is a stale, yawn-inducing boor. Especially on the subject of religion. And obviously I disagree with Daniel’s marginally unkind remarks about him.

Linda Rivera said...

Egyptian Salafi Imam Muhammad Hussein Ya'qoub: "Our fighting with the Jews is eternal, we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth."

The above is from the teaching of the Koran. Behind the murderous hate for Jews is an all-consuming HATE for the Holy One, our Wonderful, Glorious Creator whose Law: 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER' is eternal and applies to everyone. The Islamic religious command to murder every Jew and other despised infidels is the massive calling to break G-D's Holy Law. When G-D's Law is broken, it is CELEBRATED. On 9/11, THOUSANDS of PA Muslims celebrated in the streets with great joy, the cruel murders and the breaking of G-D's Law, 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER'. Muslims celebrated in countries around the world.

Linda Rivera said...

As for the atheists and others who despise Judaism and Christianity, it is the Bible; it is Judaism; it is the Ten Commandments and the Bible's Golden Rule that has given us our Western Civilization.
I am forever and eternally grateful to G-D.

Zilla/MJ said...

Great post, Daniel, thank you for linking to me in it!

Linda Rivera said...

Re 'The EU has big Secret Plans for Israel'. Both Jews and Christians are DESPISED and HATED by EU leaders.

In a massive victory for Islam, against their will, Arab Christians were cruelly placed under brutal occupation of PLO/Palestinian Authority.

In the FILTHY Islamic Invasion of Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, Judea, Israel, MUSLIMS TORE UP BIBLES FOR TOILET PAPER.

Christian majority towns, Bethlehem & Nazareth are now majority Muslim - terrified Christians were driven out by cruel Islamic persecution. Many Bethlehem Christians' homes and land were STOLEN by Muslims. The Christians who remain, live in constant fear.

The EU/US/UN are silent about the suffering and terrible persecution of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and other non-Muslims, by Islam.

Linda Rivera said...

California State Senator Ted Lieu threatened boycotts and more disturbingly “legislative remedies” if Lowe’s doesn’t submit.

The despicable California Senator wants to destroy the FREEDOM and human rights of Americans and FORCE Americans against their will to pay JIZYA for Muslim propaganda.

Instead of government representatives representing the People, they are representing totalitarian Islam.

Edward Cline said...

Linda Rivera, I can’t let that slight of yours pass. You can be grateful to God or Allah or Wontonka or Zul all you wish – with no Thank You notes from either of them, except in the form of natural disasters and plagues and diseases – but it’s reason and technology and secular law that are responsible for Western civilization and which you should be thankful for. Faith? The best it can do for you is give you some kind of emotional rush. But then, emotions are not tools of cognition. “Feeling” is not knowing.

revereridesagain said...

Daniel, sulking and foot-stamping is unworthy of you. I'm an atheist, I support Israel, and I grew up in a largely Jewish city and the people you claim I "hate" were most of my friends right through high school, and for whom I am sincerely thankful.

Believing Christians, Jews, Muslims, et al are grown-up children who still long for Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy but have dropped them for the Big Guy who offers the Jackpot of Presents: immortality, an invisible Big Brother watching over them ready to punish the Bad Kids, etc. Hitchens made it perfectly clear that he didn't "hate Jews" (or Xians, or even most Muslims; he didn't like Ayn Rand either, but that doesn't mean he "hated" us Objectivists) but would cut them no slack on the issue of mysticism. What Jews were doing because they believe Yahweh commanded them to was subject to his rational criticism and rejection same as anyone else's creed. He repeatedly castigated Muslims for attacking Israel, but on political instead of Zionist grounds. I support Israel, but how can I be a Zionist when I don't believe in Yahweh? Israel has the same right to nationhood as most of the rest of the countries in this world because she won it, fair and square, and deserves to keep it.
A most annoying trait of religious believers is the refusal to argue the issue on common rational ground. "Hitch" demanded that as a condition of debate. So do I. So do most atheists. If mystics want to "hate" us for that as Hitch allegedly "hated" Christians, Jews and Muslims, fine. Just remember to stand clear of the glass walls when you start throwing those stones.

Anonymous said...

Not to worry---atheists don't hate Christians and Jews.

They merely despise us, and theink we're grown up children, who long for the tooth fairy, and the Easter Bunny.

Oh, gosh wow, I feel ever so much better now!


I suspect, in the end, their alleged dislike of Islam will not be enough to allow them to ally themselves with us. As the old saying goes, "With friends like these. . . "


Anonymous said...

The Obama administration just released a dangerous Hezbollah leader involved in murder of 5 US soldiers.

Musa Ali Daqduq is now in Iraqi custody.

Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog said...

Re: Hitchens and Atheism

The issue isn't that Hitchens was an atheist, there are atheists on a similar spectrum like Pat Condell and Bill Maher who dislike religion but don't engage in the kind of bigotry and use of stereotypes that Hitchens did.

There's a difference between opposing Judaism and Anti-Semitism and Hitchens relied on Anti-Semitic stereotypes.

S. Richard said...

Maher doesn't indulge in bigotry? Did you see "Religulous"? Read ANY of his comments about believers? Arrogance and stereotyping are the standard weapons of the modern atheist. People clever enough to not believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster don't have to think, because they know better.

trencherbone said...

Since, as Orwell showed, ideology is controlled by terminology, perhaps someone ought to produce a glossary of Islamic terms with contents and definitions determined from the counterjihad point of view. This could serve as a standard resource and reference for counterjihadists, and a quick introduction for newbies to the counterjihad scene.

Possible contents:
Acid attack
Bacha Bazi
Cultural Jihad
Dar al-Harb
Demographic Jihad
Gang rape
Honor Killing
Lawfare and Litigation Jihad
Perfect Man
Stealth Jihad
Street Jihad
Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Useful idiot

No doubt readers can think of many more. See also

mindRider said...

A bit late this comment, but after just reading this interesting article on Christopher Hitchens I feel it is stil justified to post it:

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